moment again, and I donât want to capture that moment again. But I may write a sequel and put it in my safety-deposit box to be opened after my death, just to keep another writer from doing a sequel after the copyright expires. As much as I donât mind
fanfiction.net
, Iâm uncomfortable with the thought of somebody else seriously messing with my characters.
Did the title of your second novel
, That Was Then, This Is Now,
become a personal statementâas well as a great name for your new story
?
My subconscious works so well that, yes, it could be a personal statement, now that I look back on it. But at the time I wanted to use it as a metaphor for growing up and suddenly realizing you canât go on being a little kid. Youâve got to make some tough decisions. Sometimes theyâre not going to be the right decisions, but youâve got to blunder your way through them.
When we first visited, you said that you feel
That Was Then, This Is Now
is a better book technically than
The Outsiders.
Can you elaborate on what, in your opinion, makes it better technically
?
Because I had a little more control of my emotions; some of
The Outsiders
is over the top emotionally. Youâve got to control emotion with technique. Talent plus discipline equals art; you canât have one without the other.
In reviewing
That Was Then, This Is Now,
the
New York Times
described it as mature, disciplined. What did you learn writing
The Outsiders
that made you more proficient when you were writing on
That Was Then, This Is Now?
Going through revisions of
The Outsiders
, I learned not to be overly descriptive, but Iâd been writing for many, many years and had been teaching myself the whole time.
You were enrolled at the University of Tulsa when you were working on
That Was Then, This Is Now.
Did it seem strange to be sitting in a freshman comp class when youâd already made publishing history
?
It certainly didnât make it easier for me to get through freshman comp; that was a hard class.
In what ways are Bryon and Mark, your lead characters in
That Was Then, This Is Now,
different from Ponyboy and his extended family of friends
?
Oh, theyâre very different. I try not to repeat my characters at all. When I wrote about Mark, I kept thinking of him as a lion on Bryonâs chain. And Bryon isnât Ponyboy in that he isnât as sensitive. He isnât aware of society until it knocks him in the head. He canât just sit and observe.
Did you ever find yourself slipping into Ponyboyâs voice when you were writing as Bryon
?
Iâd left Ponyboy behind by that time, so I never had any trouble with Bryonâs voice.
In
That Was Then, This Is Now
you do allude to Ponyboy from time to time. Heâs become a local hero of sorts; your character Cathy wants to date him in the final chapters in the book. Did referencing him give you a sense of continuity as a writer
?
It did in that I wanted to mark the time and place for
That Was Then, This Is Now
. It happened a few years after
The Outsiders
, so I have Ponyboy do a walk-through. Also, Bryon, especially in the beginning, didnât like Ponyboy. He thought he was stuck up, thought he was vain because he was so good-looking. I wanted kids to see how easy it is to make wrong assumptions.
I mentioned how much I admired your edgy description in
The Outsiders,
your ability to view your characters beyond stereotypes. In
That Was Then, This Is Now,
you demonstrate that same talent. When Bryon goes to visit Mark in the reformatory, he notes, âHe had lost weight but somehow it had stretched his skin over his bones and slanted his eyes. He hadnât lost his looks
but exchanged them.â How distinctly do you see characters in your writerâs eye
?
I usually see my characters very, very distinctly. Sometimes I even dream about them. When I do, theyâre not the actors; I see the characters. I guess that comes