thing that was most fascinating. When you were in a room with himit was like you were alone. He had the least presence of anyone I have ever met. It wasn’t just that he was quiet. Of course he was, that was his thing, no? But also, he simply appeared to be elsewhere.
INT .
And where do you think that was?
GARO
Some of the guys used to say they would wring it out of him. There were those who didn’t like him, I guess. We were divided along those lines. The newer guys didn’t like him. The older ones just valued behavior above everything.
INT .
So, the older ones liked him?
GARO
Yes, yes, we liked him.
INT .
And the first time you spoke to him, what circumstance was that under?
GARO
It was about a shogi set.
INT .
A shogi set?
GARO
Most of the prisoners awaiting execution, or appealing it while waiting, they get a shogi set.
INT .
So, they play with each other? Or with the guards?
GARO
They do not play. Not with each other, and not with the guards. They mostly just move the pieces around. Some of them like to act like they are playing gamesby themselves, but I don’t think they really do. I think they just move the pieces to pass the time.
INT .
But, presumably some of them do know the game and can play by themselves.
GARO
I think they know how to play. I just think it is useless to play by yourself. I have watched them doing it. It isn’t really a game, not like you would think.
INT .
So, you were bringing him a shogi set?
GARO
When he spoke? No. He had the set. He would always take the gold generals out of the set and hold them in his hand. I don’t know why. So, it became this question. Why did Oda Sotatsu hold on to the gold generals? A reporter was visiting and noticed. She noticed too that the pieces on the board were set up strangely. It became this thing—everyone was wondering, was this a clue? Was he finally revealing something about where the victims were?
INT .
So, the press was just allowed into the prison?
GARO
Rarely. Hardly ever. Really not much at all. This was an exception, I’d say. Anyway, so there was a bet. I don’t remember what we bet, maybe some portion of our salary or shift pick or something. It did matter, though. Oh, now I remember. It was vacation. The one who bet right would get a day of the others’ vacation. There was a lot of talk. But, Oda wouldn’t explain. He wouldn’t say why he was doing it. Different guardscame up to him, asking him. They threatened him, they begged him. Nothing worked.
INT .
But you got him to explain it?
GARO
Well, I just noticed it by accident. He was using the board as a calendar. To do that, you only need thirty-six pieces, not forty. So, he would take the gold generals off the board. I don’t think he liked them being on the floor of the cell, so he would hold them. It was as simple as that. I noticed because I saw that he changed the board first thing when he would wake up. Nobody else knew what that meant, but eventually I did. So, I said to him,
Prisoner Oda, you missed a day
.
INT .
“You missed a day”?
GARO
That’s what I said,
You missed a day
.
INT .
And what did he say?
GARO
For a second he looked very carefully at the board. I think he was worried someone had moved it around while he was sleeping. Someone did do that once. He was checking to see that it was right. Then he said,
No. I didn’t miss any days
.
INT .
And that was it?
GARO
That was it. It got me two weeks off. That’s probably why I was so nice to him from then on. That and the fact that …
INT .
That what?
GARO
That it made me feel good he would talk to me and not to the others. I liked to pretend it was because I had secrets, about how to be a guard, but it wasn’t that.
INT .
Who can say?
Interview 15 (
Brother’s Wife
)
[
Int. note
. I spoke to Jiro’s wife one of the days when I was enjoying their hospitality. She was a very sharp and argumentative woman if she felt she was right, and we got along quite well. In
INT .
And where do you think that was?
GARO
Some of the guys used to say they would wring it out of him. There were those who didn’t like him, I guess. We were divided along those lines. The newer guys didn’t like him. The older ones just valued behavior above everything.
INT .
So, the older ones liked him?
GARO
Yes, yes, we liked him.
INT .
And the first time you spoke to him, what circumstance was that under?
GARO
It was about a shogi set.
INT .
A shogi set?
GARO
Most of the prisoners awaiting execution, or appealing it while waiting, they get a shogi set.
INT .
So, they play with each other? Or with the guards?
GARO
They do not play. Not with each other, and not with the guards. They mostly just move the pieces around. Some of them like to act like they are playing gamesby themselves, but I don’t think they really do. I think they just move the pieces to pass the time.
INT .
But, presumably some of them do know the game and can play by themselves.
GARO
I think they know how to play. I just think it is useless to play by yourself. I have watched them doing it. It isn’t really a game, not like you would think.
INT .
So, you were bringing him a shogi set?
GARO
When he spoke? No. He had the set. He would always take the gold generals out of the set and hold them in his hand. I don’t know why. So, it became this question. Why did Oda Sotatsu hold on to the gold generals? A reporter was visiting and noticed. She noticed too that the pieces on the board were set up strangely. It became this thing—everyone was wondering, was this a clue? Was he finally revealing something about where the victims were?
INT .
So, the press was just allowed into the prison?
GARO
Rarely. Hardly ever. Really not much at all. This was an exception, I’d say. Anyway, so there was a bet. I don’t remember what we bet, maybe some portion of our salary or shift pick or something. It did matter, though. Oh, now I remember. It was vacation. The one who bet right would get a day of the others’ vacation. There was a lot of talk. But, Oda wouldn’t explain. He wouldn’t say why he was doing it. Different guardscame up to him, asking him. They threatened him, they begged him. Nothing worked.
INT .
But you got him to explain it?
GARO
Well, I just noticed it by accident. He was using the board as a calendar. To do that, you only need thirty-six pieces, not forty. So, he would take the gold generals off the board. I don’t think he liked them being on the floor of the cell, so he would hold them. It was as simple as that. I noticed because I saw that he changed the board first thing when he would wake up. Nobody else knew what that meant, but eventually I did. So, I said to him,
Prisoner Oda, you missed a day
.
INT .
“You missed a day”?
GARO
That’s what I said,
You missed a day
.
INT .
And what did he say?
GARO
For a second he looked very carefully at the board. I think he was worried someone had moved it around while he was sleeping. Someone did do that once. He was checking to see that it was right. Then he said,
No. I didn’t miss any days
.
INT .
And that was it?
GARO
That was it. It got me two weeks off. That’s probably why I was so nice to him from then on. That and the fact that …
INT .
That what?
GARO
That it made me feel good he would talk to me and not to the others. I liked to pretend it was because I had secrets, about how to be a guard, but it wasn’t that.
INT .
Who can say?
Interview 15 (
Brother’s Wife
)
[
Int. note
. I spoke to Jiro’s wife one of the days when I was enjoying their hospitality. She was a very sharp and argumentative woman if she felt she was right, and we got along quite well. In
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