the twenties and thirties, a few bits and pieces and fragments of the Oral History were published in little magazines,â he said, âand I have copies of them somewhere in here.â He took a small, rolled-up paper bag with a rubber band around it from the deepest part of the portfolio and looked at it inquisitively. âWhat in hell is this?â he said, opening the bag and peering into it. âOh, yes,â he said. âCigarette butts.â He carefully put the bag back in the portfolio. âSometimes, in wet weather or snow all over the streets,â he said, âitâs good to have some butts stuck away.â Then he brought out four magazines one by one and stacked them on the table. They were dog-eared and grease-spotted and coffee-stained.
âHereâs Ezra Poundâs old magazine the Exile,â he said, riffling the pages of the one on top. âThe Exile lasted exactly four issues, and this is the second issueâAutumn, 1927âand thereâs a chapter from the Oral History in it. I have E. E. Cummings to thank for that. Cummings is one of my oldest friends in New York. He and I come from pretty much the same kind of New England background, and our years at Harvard overlappedâmy last year was his first yearâbut I got to know him in the Village. Sometime around 1923 or â24 or â25, Cummings spoke to Pound about me and the Oral History, and then Pound wrote to me, and we got into a correspondence that extended over several years. Pound became very enthusiastic about my plan for the History. He printed this little selection in the Exile , and later on, in his book âPolite Essays,â after speaking of William Carlos Williams as a great, neglected American writer, he referred to me as âthat still more unreceived and uncomprehended native hickory, Mr. Joseph Gould.â And hereâs Broom for AugustâNovember 1923. It has a chapter from the HistoryâChapter C-C-C-L-X-V-I-I-I. At that time I was numbering the chapters with Roman numbers. And hereâs Pagany for AprilâJune, 1931. It has some snippets from the History.
âAnd hereâs the greatest triumph of my life so farâthe Dial for April, 1929. There are two essays from the Oral History in it. Marianne Moore, the poet, was editor of the Dial , and her office was right down here in the Villageâon Thirteenth Street, just east of Seventh Avenue. It was one of those old housesâred brick, three stories high, a steep stoop leading up to the parlor floor, an ailanthus tree growing at a slant in frontâthat have always typified the Village to me. I used to drop in there about once a week and sit in her outer office all morning and sometimes all afternoon, too, reading back copies, and whenever I was able to wangle a little time with her I would try to get her to see the literary importance of the Oral History, and finally she printed these two little essays. Everything else Iâve ever done may disappear, but Iâll still be immortal, just because of them. The Dial was the greatest literary magazine ever published in this country. It published a great many masterpieces and near-masterpieces as well as a great many curiosities and monstrosities, and thereâll be bound volumes of it in active use in the principal libraries of the world as long as the English language is spoken and read. âThe Waste Landâ came out in it. So did âThe Hollow Men.â Eliot reviewed âUlyssesâ for it. Two great stories by Thomas Mann came out in itââDeath in Veniceâ and âDisorder and Early Sorrow.â Poundâs âHugh Selwyn Mauberleyâ came out in it, and so did Hart Craneâs âTo Brooklyn Bridge,â and so did Sherwood Andersonâs âIâm a Fool.â Joseph Conrad wrote for it, and so did Joyce and Yeats and Proust, and so did Cummings and Gertrude Stein and Virginia Woolf and Pirandello