guarantee.â Let me tell you about âno guarantee.â
DAVID: When Laurie and I had the debate whether to have a second child, I had published four books.
Remote
had just come out. Itâs not as if
Remote
set the world on fire, but it did get a lot of attention. I was an associate professor, with tenure, at the UW. I had found my métier: I was working on
Black Planet
and I thought, manâ
Train whistle blows
.
DAVID: Baroooouh!
It does feel selfish. Everything is selfish. If you have four children, youâre doing it for yourself. Youâre doing it for them, but youâre doing it for your own self-fulfillment. I feel okay about it. Itâs not as if, you knowâdid I let Laurie down?
CALEB: You want the kid entering the world to a welcome.
DAVID: Iâm sure, if we had had a second child, it would have brought greater complexity and joy into our lives. It was mainly a financial thing.
CALEB: If you knew youâd be making a hundred and twenty-five grand in the futureâ
DAVID: I was making about thirty-five, and Laurie was making twenty-five, and I wanted to be able to pay for Natalieâs education.â¦Â Ah, hereâs the meth lab house.
DAVID: I can see how, in the construction business, cocaine must be a bit of an occupational hazard.
CALEB: I worked in Snohomish with this Coupeville guy who blew almost his entire paycheck on crack. Heâd cook rock on the job. Smart guy, though. Iâm in college and by the time I graduate heâs leading a crew, youngest guy on the job, but loved the drug. Then got into meth. Heâs now doing time in Monroe. Barouhâs stayed away from that kind of trouble.â¦Â Okay, we got Barouhâs map. Letâs see, Highway 2âthis trail takes us to Dorothy Lake.
DAVID: We have to drive, then hike?
CALEB: Seven miles of bad dirt road, then an hour hike. Hereâs my Washington State Parks pass.
DAVID: Is it a tough hike?
CALEB: A lot of up and down.
DAVID: Thatâs fine.
CALEB: A manâs hike!
DAVID: A mile each way?
CALEB: Two.
DAVID: Basically, with my back, I canât do a lot of bending, but Iâm up for exploring.
Driving very slowly on a U.S. Forest Service dirt road
.
CALEB: How do you say it?
DAVID: Deus ex machinaâgod from the machine. In ancient Greek plays, a god would descend from above the stage and come to the rescue.
CALEB: Sometimes I watch TV with Terry, and every time a deus ex machina pops up to save the day and get the writer out of a jam, I point this out. She tells me to shut up and enjoy the show.
(phone rings)
Speak of the devil.
CALEB: Did my mother hug you yesterday?
DAVID: Maybe she craves touch.
CALEB: Terryâs parents are divorced and remarried, so I have two fathers-in-law. My mother freaks them both out with her hugging.
DAVID: Donât they give her a little leeway?
CALEB: It still freaks them out.
CALEB: George Bush is not really evil.
DAVID: Heâs not?
CALEB: I would say not.
DAVID: You donât think what he did in Iraq is evil?
CALEB: And I imagine you think Cheney is evenâ
DAVID: Of course.
CALEB: My friend Vince and I were talking about George Bush. He listed the usual: no weapons of mass destruction, oil, Halliburton, revenge for his father, and then he said that even though heâs against capital punishment, he would have liked to see George Bush assassinated. Thatâs just odd.
DAVID: I very strongly want Bush to feel the awfulness of what heâs done. I wanted
Checkpoint
â
CALEB: â
Checkpoint
?
DAVID: âNicholson Bakerâs fantasy about Bush getting assassinated. I wanted it to end with Bush dead.
CALEB: Hillary Clinton signed on. The U.S. didnât do it alone. It was multilateral; a lot of nations signed on.
DAVID: Not really.
CALEB: Bush is many things, but he ainât âevil.â
DAVID: Heâs the embodiment of evil.
CALEB: In that chapter of yours, you portray him
Janwillem van de Wetering