without exposing yourself, being raw. Thatâs the connection with great music and great art, and that is why itâs uncomfortable, that is why cool is the enemy of it, because thatâs the other reason you wanted to join a band: you wanted to do the coolthing. Trying to capture religious experiences on tape wasnât what you had in mind when you signed up for the job.
What about your own sunglasses, then? Do you wear them the same way a taxi driver would turn off his front light, so as to signal to God that this rock star is too full of himself and not for hire at the moment?
Yeah, my insincerity . . . I have learnt the importance of insincerity, the importance of not being earnest at all times. You donât know whatâs going on behind those glasses, but God, I can assure you, does.
What else did Paul McGuinness encourage in you?
He said to me when I was very young, like twenty-five: âYou have something that very few artists have.â And I said: âI donât think so, Paul.â He said: âNo. You see the whole equation.â And that is . . . a curse and a blessing. But itâs a very interesting thing, and Iâm not sure I understood what he meant back then. Iâve never really discussed it with him since, but I think I know what he means, which is: the gift is at the center of the contradiction, but the circumference is full of other stuff you have to figure out if you want the gift to really grow.
A blessing, I understand. But why should it be a curse?
Itâs an end to laziness, itâs an end to being a passenger on a train somebody else is driving. You are responsible, no one elseânot the record company, not the management. Youâve to develop other muscles in your bodyguarding of your gift.
I donât think youâve talked much about your relationship with Edge, Larry, and Adam in terms of their families. How close did you get to thefamilies of your fellow musicians? You told me that in order to escape your fatherâs sternness, you wanted to go to places where you felt warmth. Was, for instance, going to Edgeâs place as warm a feeling as going to Guggiâs or Gavin Fridayâs?
Edgeâs family are extra-special people. Theyâre very laid back, theyâre cool in the extreme. Theyâre not looking for the obvious. Theyâre both academics, theyâre not very material. Edgeâs father was very successful in business. Iâm sure he could have been even more successful, but he couldnât be arsed. [laughs] Heâd rather hang out, heâd rather play golf. He and my father used to play golf on occasion. They got on pretty well, though my dad did complain once that Garvin was a little bit of a stickler for the rules. [bursts out laughing] He said: âHeâs learnt that fucking manual off by heart.â But they both loved opera. In fact, it was a great moment when we played Madison Square Garden some years back, when they were both drunk and singing a duet from La Traviata, walking down Madison Avenue. It was the kind of place where you could always crash out. I remember coming back at four in the morning, and Mrs. The Edge would come down, rubbing sleep out of her eyes, and ask Edge if he was hungry, and . . . [gives a bewildered look] I thought this was just a different universe, completely. I was expecting, like: where is she stashing the weapons, OK? [laughs] As soon as he says: âYes Iâm hungry,â sheâll bring out the howitzer! But heâd say: âNo, no. Iâm OK, yeah. You go back to bed, Iâm fine.â And then, it was all very easygoing. And his brother, Dick, was a bit of a genius. The government were paying for him to go to college in computer engineering. More than just a scholarship where they pay your studies, they were paying him to study. He was that good. And then he joined the Virgin Prunes. So there were two mad musicians in
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